How to Hinge a Small Box Lid That Overhangs

vic...@sympatico.ca

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Jan 23, 2010, 12:46:27 AM 1/23/10

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Am building a blanket chest 46" by 28". Want the top to be 48" by 30"
therefore giving me a 1" overhang on all four sides. The customer
insists the overhang be on all four sides. Cannot think of what kind
of hinge to use. She also would like the hinge to not be visible when
top is closed. Is this possible? If so, any recommendations for a
hinge that would let the top open to about 100 degrees. Thanks.

Vic.H

FrozenNorth

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Jan 23, 2010, 1:05:17 AM 1/23/10

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Build up the backwall of the lid by enough that you can use a standard
hinge of your choosing.

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The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.

PDQ

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Jan 23, 2010, 1:14:20 AM 1/23/10

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Chris Friesen

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Jan 23, 2010, 4:11:09 AM 1/23/10

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On 01/22/2010 12:14 PM, PDQ wrote:
>> The customer insists the overhang be on all four sides. She also

>> would like the hinge to not be visible when top is closed. Is this
>> possible?

> Concealed Lid Hinges
> http://www.leevalley.com/hardware/page.aspx?c=2&p=40647&cat=3,41241

Those won't work with an overhang at the back.

To the OP, you've got a couple obvious options:

1) Mortise standard hinges in to the top of the back wall and the
underside of the lid. If you push the hinges back a bit so the pivot
point is outside the box, you'll be able to open past 90 degrees. This
might benefit from building up the wall thickness a bit on the inside of
the box for strength.

2) Same as above, but with no-mortise hinges. With an overhang at the
back these should give close to your requested 100 degrees.

http://www.leevalley.com/hardware/page.aspx?c=2&p=40233&cat=3,41241

Chris

skeez

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Jan 23, 2010, 4:32:34 AM 1/23/10

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I made them for my blanket chest. they show but they are of the same
wood and look good. my top did not ovrehang the back but a notch in
the top to accept the hinges would work. I'll post some pics to ABPW.

skeez

PDQ

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Jan 23, 2010, 6:15:11 AM 1/23/10

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In news:StudnZDWPrUMiMfW...@posted.sasktel,
Chris Friesen <cbf...@mail.usask.ca> dropped this bit of wisdom:

> On 01/22/2010 12:14 PM, PDQ wrote:
>>> The customer insists the overhang be on all four sides. She also
>>> would like the hinge to not be visible when top is closed. Is this
>>> possible?
>
>> Concealed Lid Hinges
>>
>> http://www.leevalley.com/hardware/page.aspx?c=2&p=40647&cat=3,41241
>
> Those won't work with an overhang at the back.
>
>
>

SNIP

Agreed about the inner-hung hinge - it was merely a suggestion as to the kind of hinge to persue. Might even be able to accomplish this with an European hinge.

As to your suggestion, the barrel (?) would show and the lady "would like the hinge to not be visible when top is closed". Of course, though, maybe the 1" overhang would be sufficient to "hide" the hinge.

I know there is a variety of barrel hinge that must be mortised into the wall of the chest. It would not be visible but I do not know if the 1" overhang could be accommodated. Couldn't find a sample either.

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PDQ

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Jan 23, 2010, 7:17:19 AM 1/23/10

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In news:hjdbkn$99j$1...@news.eternal-september.org,
PDQ <ugo...@here.inv> dropped this bit of wisdom:

Here I am answering myself.

Chris, your rebuttal sent me back to some filed magazines.

The Nov 2009 issue of Wood (Issue 194) contains a write-up on a blanket chest which has a 7/8 inch overhang. Torsion hinges by Rockler - "Lid-Stay Torsion Hinge Lid Support " would appear to be the answer. They are expensive but they do hold a lid in any position fron closed to full open.

http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=21288

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spaco

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Jan 23, 2010, 7:34:25 AM 1/23/10

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Bob AZ

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Jan 23, 2010, 12:51:28 PM 1/23/10

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If so, any recommendations for a hinge that would let the top open to
about 100 degrees. Thanks.
>
> Vic.H

Vic.H

Just use the best grade of "piano hinge" you can find. There certainly
is a generous selection available from McMaster-Carr. Attach the hinge
to the bottom of the top and the back/outside of the rearwall. Use a
beveled spacer between the rear wall and the hinge to allow the 100
degree opening. Emperically determine the necessary screw length. You
might also consider having the pivot offset sufficiently to allow the
100 degree opening specification. A good metal man can easily do this.
Where I live this would be routine at the blacksmith I frequent. Put
all the screws in.

Also consider using those internal folding arms/braces or whatever
they are called.

Bob AZ

Hoosierpopi

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Jan 23, 2010, 6:05:16 PM 1/23/10

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Hoosierpopi

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Jan 23, 2010, 6:13:49 PM 1/23/10

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"not be visible when top is closed."

I can't see how this can be done w/o moving the pivot outside the
carcass (where it can be seen - of one get down on the floor, and
looks up at the back of the chest when the lid is closed.

You might want to clarify this with the customer - From which
perspectives do you expect the hinge to be "hidden?"

When the chest is closed, with a 1" over hang all around and the chest
on the floor, I can't see anything at the juncture of the top edges of
the carcass and lid. Is the customer unusually short? (;

Hoosierpopi

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Jan 23, 2010, 6:23:25 PM 1/23/10

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Then, I looked at the pictures and could not see any images showing
the lid open to 90 degrees, much less 100 - 110 and downloaded the
installation sheet which calls for an 11/16 inch overlay (using their
Jig It).

http://www.rockler.com/tech/RTD10000560AA.pdf

I would suggest calling them to see if it will open to 100 degrees and
if there is any reason why a 1-inch overlay would NOT work.

Swingman

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Jan 23, 2010, 9:54:53 PM 1/23/10

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Any kids/grandkids in the house? Protect yourself against lawsuit with a
soft closing, child safety lid stay.

Can't imagine why anyone would insist on a blanket chest opening 100
degrees ... it is simply not necessary if it is indeed a "blanket"
chest, AND you will want the above safety device to work properly in any
event?

Time for a heart to heart talk on the realities of the 21st century with
the customer? Certainly worth a consideration.

YTMMV ...

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Han

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Jan 23, 2010, 11:20:57 PM 1/23/10

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Swingman <k...@nospam.com> wrote in
news:HuadnXizAsogkMbW...@giganews.com:

I agree that safety concerns are very important. I made this pineywood
blanket chest about 15 or so years ago. Shellac and many layers of
pastewax. Never felt the need for upkeep of the finish. One major move
via our own Caravan (LI to Jersey). Pictures to come on apbw.
Overall dimensions: ~23x46x31 1/2 inch (D/W/H), including overhang and
"handles". Hinges by El Cheapo, just let in. Quilts by better half.

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here...@gonetomorrow.ca

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Jan 25, 2010, 6:30:45 AM 1/25/10

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Thanks for all the suggestions on what hinge to use. Managed to drive
to a Lee Valley store and had a look at their display of hinges.
Decide to use the following
http://www.leevalley.com/hardware/page.aspx?c=2&p=40980&cat=3,41241
This hinge while pivoting also lifts up 1 5/8". With this lift I can
have a 7/8" overhang of the lid and when it is open there is a 1/8"
space between the top and side. It also has an adjusting screw which
if replaced with a longer one lets you adjust the hinge to open to 92
degrees instead of the full 175 degrees. Once again thanks, it nice to
know there are other options as well. And yes, I will be using soft
close lid stays.

Vic H.

Robert Bonomi

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Jan 25, 2010, 6:39:42 AM 1/25/10

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In article <mulpl5527o1u8qqof...@4ax.com>,

It is an 'unconventional' use for them, but a "SOSS invisible' hinge" _would_
give you a 90 {plus a little bit} degree opening of an overhanging lid.
You'd need to add soft-close stays, and, probably, chains, or similar restraints
against he lid opening too far.

Oh yeah, they *are* _totally_ invisible when the lid is closed. No evidence
of them either on the outside, _or_ the inside. <grin>

How to Hinge a Small Box Lid That Overhangs

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